07 Feb Danger: Psychiatrists as Moralists
February 7, 2013
I just read an Opinionator piece in The New York Times on “Depression and the Limits of Psychiatry.” The author is Gary Gutting, is a professor of philosophy at the University of Notre Dame. He tells us he’s been teaching a graduate seminar on Michel Foucault’s work and proceeds to discuss depression, psychiatric diagnosis and the DSM in light of Foucault’s unpacking of the history of madness and psychiatric practice.
It’s a thoughtful piece. From Foucault’s perspective that psychiatric science is moral judgement in disguise, Gutting takes a look at the definition of depression in the soon-to-be released DSM-5— in which the exception for bereavement has been eliminated—and shows the faulty logic in concluding that bereavement and depression are the same. No empirical evidence can determine what is normal when it comes to suffering the loss of a loved one, let alone conclude that this kind of suffering is no different in kind from any other. It’s a value judgement presented by psychiatry as science.
Gutting goes on to raise the question of whether psychiatrists should be the moralists of the 21st century. He answers, “No.” After all, psychiatrists are physicians. They’ve been trained in a model—medicine—that wasn’t designed to judge moral issues. For me, this was the most interesting part of the essay.
“…psychiatrists as such have no special knowledge about how people should live. They can, from their clinical experience, give us crucial information about the likely psychological consequences of living in various ways (for sexual pleasure, for one’s children, for a political cause). But they have no special insight into what sorts of consequences make for a good human life. It is, therefore, dangerous to make them privileged judges of what syndromes should be labeled ‘mental illnesses.’
This is especially so because, like most professionals, psychiatrists are more than ready to think that just about everyone needs their services. (As the psychologist Abraham Maslow said, “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail”). Another factor is the pressure the pharmaceutical industry puts on psychiatrists to expand the use of psychotropic drugs. The result has been the often criticized “medicalization” of what had previously been accepted as normal behavior-for example, shyness, little boys unable to sit still in school, and milder forms of anxiety.”
I agree with Gutting that those with a broader view—from humanistic psychology, medical ethics and the philosophy of psychiatry, as well as people who have experienced severe bereavement and their families and friends—are necessary voices, arguably ones with far more expertise on the matter than psychiatrists. They have more than a hammer, so they can see more than nails.
loisholzman
Posted at 16:49h, 12 JanuaryThanks, Jessica, for your comment. Of course, the irony is that medicalizing what is social-sutural is said to be in the name of being nonmoral. I’m curious as to how come you chose to enter this profession.
Jessica M.
Posted at 16:16h, 12 JanuaryLois, I find this discussion on morality in psychiatry very interesting. I am currently studying to become psychiatric nurse practitioner and I find many things in my training maddening, but that’s another story. I think the paradigm: I am the practitioner and you are the patient, is inherently moral and judgmental. In my training with patients, I have always been cautious about looking for a disorder to diagnose and pathologize. I try to stop myself, but my role IS to diagnose and prescribe medication. I recall a transgender patient, diagnosed with “social anxiety disorder” and prescribed Paroxitine because she felt like people were always looking at her on the subway and judging her. Well, people do always look at and judge transgender people on the subway. The best I could for this person was support her decision to live as woman, and refer her to organizations that could help validate her choice. I foresee that I will have many conflicts when I begin to practice.
w.
Posted at 06:58h, 28 DecemberPeople in general very often act if they were the judge of other people. It is a powerplay with
many psychological advantages. Usually, this game is hidden and disguised as concern
or interest and so on. Even for themselves. Why should psychologists or psychiatrists
behave otherwise ? Morality is nothing but one of the many tools in the powerbattle
human beings like and without this tool they are more powerless in their own eyses. And
experience less excitement. And excitement is identical with the experience of being alive !
loisholzman
Posted at 17:30h, 22 FebruaryThanks, Paul. How do you deal with it in your practice?
Yes, Szasz and many others since then have raised these and other concerns. I wonder how much those in training are exposed to such writings. What does it look like in the UK?
Warwick Paul Onyeama
Posted at 17:20h, 22 FebruaryThe point raised within the Gary Cutting article has been a concern of mine for a number of years and i am grateful to you for flagging it up in this forum. I think there has been an increasing trend towards the “medicalisation of daily life experience” and I question the validity and social value of so doing. It is undoubtedly a philosophical question that requires thought but also an issue that brings current practice into question. I share the view that psychiatrist are NOT the best people to make these judgements (eg. whether grief is a disease or a natural reaction). Apart from anything else they have an existential conflict of interest in “pathologising” behaviour. These concerns were also raised repeatedly by the late Tomas Szasz in relation to the questionable participation of psychiatrists in the legal process.
loisholzman
Posted at 23:54h, 19 FebruaryThat’s a good question. In my opinion, yes.
Robert White
Posted at 22:21h, 19 FebruaryI assume that the argument would hold true for the psychologist, social worker, or anyone participating in a therapy practice.
loisholzman
Posted at 14:16h, 14 FebruaryThanks for you comment and bringing in a view of what happens in India.
Ishita Sanyal
Posted at 14:04h, 14 FebruaryInteresting discussion.Doctors & especially psychiatrist are often judgmental & they play the sole role to decide whether he would take the side of the family members or the patient. Often our patients would complain that Psychiatrist would always agree with family members & blame them without actually empathizing the situation. They often act as God on earth for people who are at times victims of intense emotions.
loisholzman
Posted at 18:36h, 12 FebruaryApparently, in psychiatry! And pastoral counseling. And the classroom. And lots more, don’t you think?
Where is the line between fack and value?
loisholzman
Posted at 18:35h, 12 FebruaryThanks for sharing that, Lu. Maybe the psychiatrist got lucky in finding a good fit at this particular time for this particular man. That’s different from an overall belief in the sucess of medication. I don’t think it’s like aspirin for headaches and, even there, people react differently to aspirin. And it’s a symptom reliever, not a cure, not growthful.
loisholzman
Posted at 18:31h, 12 FebruaryMany people tell me that they wish their therapists would be more open about how they use their own life experiences in doing therapy, instead of hiding behond so-called objectivity.
loisholzman
Posted at 18:29h, 12 FebruaryThanks for bringing in alternatives to the medical model, Jim. I agree 100%. There are many many humanistic approaches, including social thereapy (www.socialtherapygroup.com and http://www.eastsideinstitute.org) that support people’s humanness, courage and creativity in a group form. Love the title of your book! I think I’ll order it.
loisholzman
Posted at 18:25h, 12 FebruaryThanks, for your comment, Bryant. I agree with you, if you mean our everyday use of the work “depresed” but I don’t agree if you mean the psychiatric categor of depression. One of the things at issue is the medicalization and disease-orientation of ordinary ways of talking. As for the change from DSM-IV to DSM-5, it is from 2 months to 2 weeks (and the DSM-III was 2 years! See my previous blog posts on the DSM-5 and diagnosis, including https://loisholzman.org/2012/03/can-you-grieve-and-not-be-labeled-with-a-mental-disorder/
Bryant
Posted at 17:49h, 11 FebruaryWow! This is a very enlightening discussion.Never did I expect that as a future psychologist that I would be setting the example of normal morality. I think that is absurd to think that psychologist could set the morality bar for everyone. I do agree with the writer Gutting that it should not happen, but my question is who said that it would or that it should? I am unaware of what the DSM 4 said about bereavement, but to exile it from the DSM 5 as an exclusion does sit fair with that portion of depression. I am not an expert by any means but I can assume that the loss of a loved one, or anyone for that matter, is a form of depression.
jim Blaha
Posted at 17:44h, 10 FebruaryWonderful discussion! Where does one get to charge as a moralist?
Terri-Lynn Langdon
Posted at 15:16h, 10 FebruaryThank-you for this post. I enjoyed it. Take care,
Terri-Lynn Langdon
jim sellner
Posted at 17:32h, 09 FebruaryMy bias is that any therapy is “moralistic” in the sense that the “patient” is “cured’ when s/he fit into the operating theory of that particualr therapy.
And in any professional – client relationship, the moralism sits in the consciousness or (heaven forbid!) unconscious of the therapist.
A more existential or humanistic approach is to connect with one’s client at a human level in terms of how can the presenting symptoms or pain reveal one’s humaness, courage and creativity.
Regards,
Dr. jim sellner, PhD., DipC.
author; The Phallic Imperative: Why Men Are Hard to Get Along With!? (an auobiography??)
ZOE TSIRKA
Posted at 11:58h, 09 FebruaryPsychiatrists are physicians but may have more insight attached to their intellect when deciding to become this kind of physicians. And psychotherapists (which may include psychiatrists) are expected to become connected with patients on many levels. It is an extremely thin line and requires discipline, vast knowledge (not only medical), life experience and certainly constant education. And maybe a tool for screening which among the physicians are suitable for this specific scientific object.
Lu Lasson, LCSW, CASAC
Posted at 18:28h, 08 FebruaryThis reminds me of a client who was one of the most mentally healthy people I’ve ever worked with. He was very sad after he broke up with his girlfriend, which he had been struggling with for months. He knew it was the right thing to do. She was devastated which was very hard for him. About a week later, he said that he was having trouble sleeping and concentrating and that was interfering with his ability to perform at work. I diagnosed “broken heart” and tried to help him tolerate and accept his feelings. At our next appointment, several weeks later, he told me he had seen a psychiatrist who had given him antidepressants which were working wonderfully. He no longer had insomnia and was more productive at work. I was sort of stunned that a psychiatrist evidently thought that his normal reaction to a normal life event warranted medicating! However, it also got me wondering if meds can relieve suffering, why not use them? I don’t believe that but I’m also not sure why I don’t believe it.